Showing posts with label racism in dating. Show all posts
Showing posts with label racism in dating. Show all posts

Saturday, 7 January 2012

Date 20: Devontay - Miss, If I were a few years younger, you’d definitely get it’

Felt like we were playing lights out


Who set me up this time
After setting me up on a date with a gay man in date 17: Brendan, Amar insisted on setting me up again. Determined to pimp me out with a little more success this time, Amar said that he would try to set me up with someone who fits the characteristics described on the my type page.
What did I know about Devontay
Devontay’s mother is British born Jamaican. His Dad was French but sadly passed away before he was born. He grew up in Maidstone. He is significantly older than me (35). He is a web architect. He works at the UK & Ireland head office for one of the largest internet corporations in the world.
I am slightly wary about the age difference. I am quite a young goof and I’m certainly not looking to settle down anytime soon. Ideally, I’d be with someone in their mid 20s. Still, the blind date marathon was about open mindedness.
First Impressions
Devon approached me with a text “Hi Holly, Amar told me about your 20 dates challenge. He said that I should get in contact. Apparently I  am ‘an out of touch nerd’ and that is what you have been looking for in a man? Haha... I hope Amar is joking about that one or else you will be disappointed. I’m actually pretty cool. Still, it would be lovely to meet for dinner and I look forward to hearing from you.”
I am not looking for an out of touch nerd! I like men to be deeply intelligent, individualistically creative and to have well thought out opinions about culture and society. An ‘in-touch’ nerd.
We met at Shoreditch station. He gave me a big warm hello and I liked him straight away.
What Happened
We walked to a Chinese restaurant. We soared through normal small talk such as where we grew up, favourite films etc. Throughout this conversation I was continually made aware of our generational differences. E.g. when mobile phones launched as a household item, I was just starting secondary school whereas Devon had already graduated. This added an interesting dimension to our conversation but felt a little weird.
As we are both from mixed ethnic backgrounds we shared a lot of similar experiences. Many people struggle to get their heads round the very simple concept that one side of my family are white skinned and the other dark skinned. Also people can very rarely see you as coming from both backgrounds and nearly always feel the need to categorise you as one or the other. Sharing stories about this issue had us cracking up with laughter. Devon also shared the same dislike of being fancied because of his race. We had an engaging conversation about women who ‘go for blacks because they’re black’ (you know you are)! Devon told me, “I think it’s partially down to the whole black man, big cock stereotype. That stereotype really puts pressure on a man. Women always expect me to be well endowed but I’m actually a bit on the small side sadly”. He said this straight-faced and with a vulnerable expression on his face and I thought he was deadly serious. I felt compelled to give him some reassurance, “Oh... it doesn’t really matter that much”. Nooooo! That's such an embarrassing thing to say. He laughed in my face as of course he was just winding me up (he's black so he's bound to be huge).
We had a few interests in common. We were both childhood fans of The Hobbit and eagerly await the film. And we both love Mario Puzo’s The Godfather Trilogy (who doesn't). We share a love of Levi Roots reggae reggae products. Devon is also a Clark Kent character. Nerdy glasses by day, contacts and debauchery by night. And we are both family oriented. This made conversation very easy and enjoyable.
Devon loves festivals and is also a frequent visitor of Fringe. When I told him that I shy away from festivals because I don’t like the idea of the shared toilets and showers, he laughed at me once again. “You are no tom boy. You’re a right girly prissy girl!” he claimed. This wound me up!

Then Devon mentioned that he feels like he is getting a little too old for festivals now. And once again I was reminded of his senior age. When talking about families, Devon revealed that he has a twin sister and because of her friends he boasted that he has always had a string of female admirers around him. This might describe his ease and confidence around women. He also had a younger sister aged 23 who he helped raise. Actually, he said it was strange to be on a date with me because I’m only a little bit older than that little sister.

It was a strange coincidence that Devon had quite a bit in common with Date 10 - Martin. They were in a similar industry, they grew up in the same town and out of all my dates they were two of the best. I also quite liked Date 15 - James. There appears to be a bit of a theme here. Perhaps I secretly like computer geeks?

However I concluded that although plenty of people have successful and fulfilling relationships with big age gaps, Devon and I were at far too different stages in our lives to be compatible in the long term. Nonetheless, I thought that Devon and I understood each other quite well. Or to quote how Devon jokingly, and rather presumptuously, put it “if I were about 7 years younger you’d definitely get it”. I thought that Devon was well mannered, fun, interesting and conscientious. However, the fact that he is hoping for a wife and kids in the next 5 years makes us completely incompatible. I'm far too immature!
What other people have said
Sounds like a big age gap but you shouldn’t let that be the only thing in your way. That’s not the only thing though.
Would I see him again as friends
He has been in contact quite a bit. He is very flirty but within boundaries. It's possible that i would see him again but it's probably best left alone!

Would I go on a date with him again?
Best not
Would I recommend him to a friend?
 
Yes

Date Planning 7
Rapport 8

Sunday, 27 November 2011

Date 16: Cooper – the Australian Booty Call



Who set me up this time?
My friend Liz set me up on this date. Liz was one of the people who originally said that she couldn’t find anyone because all her potentially suitable friends were all spoken for. Then her Australian friend Cooper emailed her to let her know that he was going to be in London for a month and he would like to be introduced to a few people. Liz responded by setting him up on a date with me.
What did I know about him?
He is Australian and he travelled around SE Asia which is where he met Liz. He is another blue eyed blond haired beauty and he is very athletic. He sounded decent! He was very interested in meeting me and participating in the blog. One of his texts read ‘I look forward to showing you the Australian way of dating.’ I had no idea what that meant but I was about to find out.
First Impressions
I met Cooper at Waterloo Station. He came across as chilled out, self assured and eager to socialise. I knew this date was going to be interesting straight away!
What happened?
Cooper told me that one of the best dates he was ever taken on (yes this man has ladies taking him out), was Sea World Australia. So he thought it would be a good idea to take me to the London Aquarium. I had to warn him that London Aquarium is not going to quite match up to Australian Sea World.
London aquarium is a great day out. It’s quite pricey if you pay the price on the door though. There are various offers about so make sure you get at least a third off like all locals do. Cooper had sorted 2-for-1 entry. Some guys might be embarrassed about getting a discounted date but I think it shows that you have financial sense. Charles (date six) also had our meal at 50% discount with top table/taste card. So both were gentlemanly and treated me but didn’t actually spend a bomb. Savvy men!
It was actually a bit strange going on a date at London Aquarium because I think that the last time I visited it, I broke up the most serious relationship I’ve had so far. ]This date was thankfully a lot better though!
Cooper impressed me with his aquamarine knowledge. He grew up by the beach and knew quite a bit about the ocean and its wildlife. His geeky knowledge and passion for the sea made me attracted to him. (So it is official. I can be attracted to blondes!) We got to see several talks. My favourite bit was watching the sharks being fed. They tear their heads around from side to side like in the movies!

Afterwards we went to dinner. Cooper cracked a hilarious joke about taking me to eat sushi. I love sushi and I am relatively comfortable with carnivorism but I draw the line at eating fish raw straight after seeing several swim about.
So instead we went for Thai Chicken Curry. We sat at a cosy little booth around a small round table. Cooper was very flirty with me. Out of all my dates he was the most ‘touchy feely’ and  I wonder if the fact that I agreed to go out with him even though he is only in London for a short time gave him the impression I was up for a fling? This probably wasn’t helped by the fact that I have been dating several men recently. That screams ‘PROMISCUOUS’ doesn’t it? I think he was a bit of a womaniser. Definitely not the type of guy my male friend's would set me up with.
We talked about British and Australian comedy as we share a love of both. Cooper had a few jokes of his own. Most of them were pretty crude. We discussed how I got on to the dating marathon which involved me disclosing that I am chronically single. As we said goodbye Cooper told me in his rough Australian accent that should I feel the need to spend the night with him at any point in the future, I should call him because he is definitely up for it. “I can be your booty call,” he offered jokingly. “I really don’t mind helping out a friend.” That was a bit blunt and maybe a bit creepy. Maybe that’s what he meant when he said that he was going to show me the Australian way of dating? 
Cooper was really funny, good looking and very confident. Although he was a bit touchy-feely and he offered to be my booty call, he kind of pulled it off. Most men would seem incredible sleazy for doing this. Cooper just seemed mildy sleazy. Maybe it's a racist thing that Aussies get away with it?

Despite the rude jokes it seemed that he knew his boundaries very well and never pushed it too far or got intense. For that reason Cooper came across as a casual flirt rather than crude.

Although I am “not that type of girl”, if I ever were to suddenly feel the need to make a booty call, I guess it would be to someone like Cooper! I strongly doubt it though...
 Would I go out with him again?
Yes, I guess so! He’s a bit of a social butterfly and a potential slut but he seems like an honest, fun person to be around. We have exchanged emails and I get his weekly travelling update. If we are ever in the same city again then it would be fun to meet up. Just as long as he knows it’s not a booty call!
What other people have said
That we should go meet him in Australia!
Would I recommend him to a friend?
Yes

Date planning 10 (he’s not even from this country and he managed it)
Rapport 7

Friday, 11 November 2011

Date 14: Dan - A Black Man in Waitrose?!


Who set me up this time?
K
I don’t actually know K very well! I met him through a networking and social club for people from my paternal land of origin, Goa. There are two main networking societies for young Goans in the UK. These are Fenny Fever and YLGS. These societies host events where Goans can connect with other Goans and bring a few non-Goan friends along for the ride. K is soft-natured with a random sense of humour and a passion for US thriller series Dexter. That is why we clicked.
   
What did I know about Dan?
He was sold to me by K as kind, good looking and fun. I have been told that he’s cool but not a player.
Dan got in touch by text message. I have to say that he is one of the naffest texters of my blind date marathon. In contrast to Date 12 who didn’t say enough, Dan said too much. He sort of rambled for a bit. Some texts were too long, disjointed and with several parentheses in brackets. This might sound like a minor, picky point but when you’re trying to initiate a rapport by text message, your date has nothing else to go by. So it is better to keep it witty and personalised, but also snappy and relevant. Try to exclude brackets and rambling! The texts improved with time.


First Impressions
A Stabbing
Before meeting Dan my friend and I witnessed a stabbing on Oxford Street. It was between some youths and apparently involved a gang dispute. Luckily this was the week after the 2011 riots, another rough moment for London, but it meant that there were ambulances and police all over Oxford Street and the paramedics dealt with the situation in time. Meeting Dan became a bit of a panic. As the police had shut the tube, I ended up 40mins or so late.
No Plan
We met outside Kings Cross station. I explained what had happened and apologised for lateness. Dan didn’t ask whether I was OK or not which I thought was a bit off. Maybe that’s just typical for a bloke but I would have asked! Despite that blip I was actually pleasantly surprised. Dan is pretty nice looking and seemed pretty cool. However, his next words were ‘so where are we going? What are we doing?’ I thought I had made it explicitly clear that he should organise the date but I guess we have another passive man here! Despite the fact that I generally prefer more dynamic men, I still thought that Dan was a lovely guy.

What Happened
Figuring out a plan
I made a decision that we should get on the next bus to Angel. Deep in conversation, we missed the stop and ended up by Old Street. Here, I had to make the decision to get a drink in the next pub and get a bus back to Angel for another. We ended up in Ladybug on Upper Street which is a bit nostalgic for me. However, it is also somewhat tacky and I made the decision to leave before purchasing and go to MISO instead for some food. Dan was pretty absent throughout the decision making process. If you know me you will know that I’d have preferred him to have more of an opinion but still be receptive.

Job Hopper
Dan was a good few years older than me. Conversation centred on jobs that Dan had done. It turned out that Dan was going through a bit of a careers dilemma. He was an official job hopper with a variety of experience but he didn’t feel like he was in a 'career' as such. In fact, he’d just quit his job and wanted to develop something deeper in food photography. He showed me a sample of his portfolio on his phone and they were excellent. He does have a talent there! Despite Dan’s many talents it was apparent that he was feeling down hearted and stressed out at being at the careers cross-roads again. What does this say to your date? I guess most women prefer someone who is confident, capable, secure and successful. Dan only came across as capable. It might sound harsh but these deep sort of conversations about your insecurities and life's frustrations may be a little too heavy for a first date. Perhaps they are better left for later on.

One of the first questions i get asked about a date is what does he do for a living. I think this is a very important point because it influences financial mobility, personal availability, interests and social circles. I personally would find it difficult to date someone who did not feel passionate and driven in what they do.  

Still, if you turn down a perfect match just because they do not have their career sorted, then you are an idiot. For one thing, it's a bit shallow. And also in the current recession you would also be forced to turn down a lot of great and smart people who will make great partners.

  
A Gentleman

Dan was very gentlemanly. He opened doors, bought me a drink. He had impeccable manners. He was considerate. He mentioned various friends and I happened to notice that he had several male and female friends. It's usually a good sign for me if a man has friends of both gender. Overall he was good company.

A Black Man in Waitrose?
We had a few interesting conversations about food, supermarkets and the grocer magazine. This might sound a little boring but liked it as it's my industry. I love a man who has an opinion, and a guy who can cook is incredibly sexy to me. And I love to eat! However, I also uncovered that Dan doesn’t travel and doesn’t really do holidays. He gave me a cold stare when I tried to discuss K and I’s culture. Dan also made this comment, ‘you’ll never see a black man in Waitrose. It’s far too much of a middle class thing.’ Does this suggest that Dan sees all 'Blacks' as working class? Statistically black British people earn less than white people and some ethnic minorities, but there are still a huge number of Black people in this country who are doctors, lawyers, MPs, well educated, affluent etc. Actually my manager is black and so is my GP and just from my personal experience I can think of a few black people who shop at Waitrose!! I pointed this out and Dan just shrugged and accepted that he was basing his comment on his dry humour and local area (Berkshire, I think). Fair enough! Still, it was clear that Dan was not very cosmopolitan and I find that sort of ignorance difficult to swallow. 
Dan got the bill when I was in the loo! This was sweet of him. He didn’t have to, especially seeing as he had just quit his job, but it was appreciated.

 
Would I go out with him again?
I don’t think we are compatible. This was a shame because he is hot and can cook! But I dont think it would work. We are possibly friendship material but it’s not like he lives down the road. The chances are that I won’t see him ever again. Dan is also the only date who never contacted me again! So I guess he sees it the same way.

What do other people say?
“If we ended up talking about the Grocer and the food industry then this date must have been lame!” 
Would I recommend him to a friend?
maybe

Date Planning 3 (he turned up on time)
Rapport 5.5

Saturday, 5 November 2011

Date 13: Jubilee – (in a French accent)


Who set me up this time
This date was set up by Rahul#2. He has exactly the same name as Rahul#1 (who set me up for Date 6). I met both Rahuls at university. Rahul#2 was the type of guy who knew everybody’s name. He was exceptionally friendly and a fun person to be around. He is a top bloke and I am glad he managed to set me up on a date.
What do I know about him
Jubilee is from Paris. Rahul#2 met him when they were both working together in a bank. Jubilee still works for this bank. He asked me not to use his real name for my blog (he is not called Jubilee). He was described to me as a nice, friendly guy. He has been living in the UK for a year or so and his English is really good but not perfect.
First impressions
On the journey to meet Jubilee I had a weird tube incident. I am sure many women and possibly a lot of guys know that you can have some very strange unwanted encounters on the London underground. In London we have a social custom where unless it is to say 'excuse me please', you must not talk to anyone you don’t know or even look them in the eye on the tube. You are supposed to travel the tube in silence in your own little bubble. However, some strange individuals who I imagine are starved of social and physical contact will try and interact with you. In my personal experience this includes accidently on purposely groping you, singing 'flying without wings' in your face, gyrating against you, and breathing heavily in your face. On the journey to meet Jubilee a Romanian man decided to take photos of me with his camera phone. I tried to ignore him but someone else didn’t. A woman yelled at me, "tell him to stop!" A man shouted out "stop taking photos of her mate. You can see she doesn’t like it." To which the Romanian man responded, ‘I’m taking photos of myself. To see how ugly I am." The man with the camera phone got closer and closer until he was touching me. As another man grabbed him off me I ran off the carriage to meet Jubilee in Covent Garden
I greeted jubilee by saying, “Hi, It’s nice to meet you. I’ve just been harassed by a man on the tube and I feel really grossed out!” Jubilee was not expecting this. He gave me the impression that he is a shy character who found my introduction a bit weird.
What Happened
Another man playing the culture card! Mauritian-French man Jubilee invited me to eat some French cakes and tea. The cakes were tasty. We spoke about how Jubilee feels about London as a foreigner/migrant. He said that coming to live here in the UK has been a great cultural experience for him. He said that he likes the social life of the city and is not sure if he will move back to Paris. Jubilee has a “foreign” way of expressing himself sometimes. There were occasions when I was not entirely sure what he meant. It was like he was translating a French phrase into English that didn’t quite fit. I enjoyed this as it made a change from the cliche date conversations. I also discovered that the French accent is pretty hot sometimes. I love the way he pronounced “the Jubilee line”. I loved it so much that that's how I chose his nickname.
Amusingly, I misheard Jubilee for the worst a couple of times. For example, when discussing whether he would like to work from home or not he said that ‘human contact is obviously very important and I like getting that from the office’. In my ears this sounded a lot like ‘women contact is obviously very important and I like getting that from the office’ Luckily I questioned him!
We went for a drink after the French cakes. My impression of Jubilee at this point was that he was very sweet, had a cute accent and was quite a serious personality. He came across as the type of person who likes to follow the rules! This made me think that he was not compatible with me as I think that I am a little too scandalous for him. However, he is sweet, intelligent, stable and funny and over drinks I started wishing that I could set him up with my French friend Lauren. This bright idea slowly faded away as when I ordered a cocktail Jubilee admitted that he does not really drink alcohol. Jubilee ordered a martini and I laugingly warned him that it would come in a very girly glass. I dont think he minded too much but he did seem a tiny bit embarrassed.
The girl I would have set Jubilee up with drinks a sweet amount of alcohol and although she has never said this herself, I think that she’d be better off with someone less controlled than Jubilee. Towards the end of the evening I started to think that Jubilee is a very good boy! This made me want to press him a little (that means question, not anything crude). So I asked him about his drug habits and got him to rate cocaine, caffeine, alcohol, cannabis and ecstasy in order of preference. By the way, I don’t dabble in illegal substances either but I just thought it would be funny to ask! Caffeine won. He doesn't do anything else and good for him.
Jubilee text me to see that I got home safely which was gentlemanly as I have a long dark journey home.
Would I go out with him again?
A few weeks after our date and after a bit of to and forth, I emailed Jubilee “In short summary, after our date I decided that you seemed a very nice and cultured person. But we are two different characters! You seem to be less of a joker than me. And I did not see us as compatible. I assume you felt the same way. But it was still great to meet you and thanks for the cake! Let me know if you would like to see the blog once it is up”. He responded that he actually is a joker but understands why he didn’t give that impression on our date.
He also wanted me to include what he concluded about me:
“Finally, if you want to know what I think about you, i will say cool. And I got the feeling that you are a bit crazy but don't get me wrong it's totally positive, like in a funny way. I would say brave, responsible, trying to make things better if they are wrong, I guess you have a bit of craziness (like having fun), and also very nice.”
I wonder if I gave him the impression that I’m a druggie? Jubilee invited me to a party near French friend Lauren’s house and I would have considered going but I wasnt in town. I’d see him again in a group, as friends! It would be interesting to see if he really is as composed as I thought!
What do other people say?
They want to hear him say Jubilee.
Would I recommend him to a friend?
Yes
Date Planning  6 (we wandered to find a bar)
Rapport 7